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Katie: Hi there and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and this episode is all about letting youngsters cleared the path, about embracing crucial pondering and the altering nature of training, all by the lens of youngsters cooking within the kitchen. And I actually cherished this interview that went in a variety of completely different instructions. I’m right here with Lisa Jendza, who was a marketing consultant for HP and he or she witnessed what she calls the decline in crucial pondering and launched into a journey to assist coach adults and now youngsters on easy methods to take their energy again and assume extra critically.
And much like her grownup detox program, her cooking lessons are an experiential approach to create lasting change and extra crucial pondering and resulting in extra youngsters who’re extra empowered, revered and given the liberty to discover. She opens up dialogue round what it means to be a frontrunner, how youngsters are affected by peer stress on the subject of what’s thought of regular in meals and way of life decisions, and way more in her packages referred to as Freedom Kitchen, which is a judgment-free zone the place she helps youngsters discover the braveness to discover completely different components and in the end, easy methods to be leaders of their very own well being and happiness out and in of the classroom.
And this was a extremely enjoyable interview. I believe it’ll resonate for many households. We discuss her journey, how actions converse louder than phrases, however expertise trumps motion, how she teaches life classes by kitchen abilities, the significance of experiments, how failure and perfection are each not allowed, easy methods to shift mindset by meals experiences, how youngsters are so able to understanding and making good decisions about meals and about life.
We discuss proper brain-focused approaches to training, how cooking is a good entire mind expertise with each proper and left mind actions, how our youngsters’ futures will look very completely different than we are able to predict and easy methods to assist them put together, easy methods to create extra alternatives for proper mind studying in youngsters, and a lot extra. I very a lot loved this interview, and so let’s be a part of Lisa. Lisa, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.
Lisa: Oh, thanks a lot for having me, Katie. It’s an honor.
Katie: I’m very excited to talk with you as a result of I believe now we have a variety of alignment in a few of our beliefs and I believe you will have such a ravishing method of explaining and instructing it that’s actually related, particularly to youngsters and nearly all of the folks listening are dad and mom. So I believe that is going to be very relevant to many, lots of the folks listening. And I believe for some background for this episode, as a result of we’re going to get to delve deep into the work that you just do now. And I do know this has not at all times been the work that you just do, however that you just additionally, what perhaps what led to a few of this, at the least from researching your bio is noticing a decline in crucial pondering after which taking a look at easy methods to create options for that. And as a homeschooling mother and an entrepreneur, that is one among my first rules of life and of parenting is how will we truly nurture these abilities that may serve our youngsters in no matter they encounter in grownup life and creativity and significant pondering high that checklist in our home. And so I really like that this was the impetus for you, however I might love to listen to about a few of your background and what led to that soar.
Lisa: Properly, let me simply say that I honor you and respect you and all the homeschool dad and mom on the market. I didn’t homeschool my youngsters. They did undergo the general public faculty system. I used to be a company data expertise marketing consultant. For a few years, I used to be in operations, community operations. Most years, GM being my shopper. So I used to be answerable for maintaining meeting traces working after which maintaining the OnStar utility working. And so when you can think about, I used to be on name 24/7 and with the calls for of my job, I raised my youngsters on bins and drive-throughs and I trusted the varsity system. I used to be a product of the varsity system and a number of school levels.
And alongside the best way, I positively developed. So I don’t assume that there’s a proper or incorrect reply. What I love to do now’s encourage dialog, provoke some thought round a number of the decisions we’re making as a result of I believe a number of the decisions we make are on autopilot as a result of it’s simply what we do, proper? It’s simply what society does. And that’s what I discovered as I used to be in my consulting profession. The solutions that I might get from folks is, properly, it’s simply at all times been completed this manner. And I believe I used to be placed on this planet to truly problem the established order. So I moved from difficult the established order and IT Consulting to essentially sort of all areas of life. And the best way I have a look at it’s now I’m serving to to develop future leaders.
Katie: Properly, and I really like the work you do. And I’m so glad we’re attending to have this dialog as a result of that was my journey as properly. And the rationale that I ended up homeschooling, I’ve talked about this a bit bit earlier than, however was when my oldest was 5, making an attempt to ask higher questions. And I really like that you just introduced that up. I believe after we ask higher questions, we clearly get higher solutions. However I checked out him at nearly 5 years previous and thought, what’s going to finest put together him for grownup life? Realizing that what I do in grownup life didn’t exist as a profession possibility once I was 5. So nobody might have anticipated to immediately put together me for that. And realizing his future might be in who is aware of, instructions that haven’t even been invented but. So what finest prepares youngsters for that?
And such as you, I labored backwards and realized it was these foundational abilities. It wasn’t data down, it was abilities up. And it was the mindset that they’ve as they develop up. It’s these foundational issues that they’ll construct on into no matter they find yourself pursuing of their grownup life. And I believe the best way that you just convey this in with youngsters can also be actually, actually distinctive and likewise tremendous relevant. Such as you, I used to be additionally a product of the varsity system. So there was positively some crucial pondering that needed to occur for me and a few dismantling of assumptions that existed for me. However speak extra about the way you then made that change after which what you’re doing now to essentially nurture that talent, as a result of I believe that is so foundational and essential.
Lisa: Yeah, properly, phrases don’t train, experiences do. And that was one thing additionally I didn’t actually perceive when my youngsters had been younger. And we are able to inform our youngsters to do one thing completely different, however as a consequence of mirror neurons, they’re going to look at what we’re doing. So one factor we’ve all heard is, you already know, actions converse louder than phrases, however what speaks louder than actions is experiences.
And so I truly moved into serving to adults detox first. And so I ended up buying a wellness spa and I began instructing detoxing about 16 years in the past. And as many lectures as I gave, I noticed the identical factor that I noticed in Company America and other people’s eyes would glaze over. Like they weren’t comprehending every little thing I used to be making an attempt to show them. And I acknowledged this needs to be an expertise. And so over time, I created a program that I might take folks by, a three-month detox program that’s an experiential course of. Then they may have their very own epiphany, their very own awakening, come to their very own conclusions. They didn’t want me to inform them. They wanted to determine it out.
And I have a look at it like bumpers in a bowling lane, you already know, like bumper bowling. So I put this system in place with the bumpers and I might allow them to bump up towards the bumpers in order that they may work out what was proper for them. Properly, now that I’m instructing youngsters, which actually was divine intervention, it’s actually the identical idea. I put collectively a program the place they bump up towards the bumpers, the place we get within the kitchen and we expertise, and I ask them questions. And the one cause I’m nonetheless instructing this program is due to the questions that they ask me. They’ve confirmed to me simply how clever they’re, how deep pondering they’re. They’ve confirmed to me that they’ve management capacity. And due to the questions that they ask me, I proceed to show this program.
Katie: I really like that. And I really like that you just middle it within the kitchen as a result of I believe with my background in well being and diet as properly, I believe that is also a foundational talent and that many individuals make it to maturity with out figuring out easy methods to prepare dinner even. And I believe that like all training and experiences to your level that we may give them at an early age, that additionally helps nurture how autonomous they really feel and the way ready and succesful they really feel, which I believe that talent interprets into each space of life as properly.
And I keep in mind early on realizing with my youngsters too is that I began with the primary precept that after they had been able to doing one thing for them, I used to be not going to do it for them as a result of I felt like that was an insult to their capacity, to their functionality, and that was undermining their capacity to develop inside that realm. And so I’ve held on to that as my youngsters have reached all these numerous ages. And definitely there’s a variety of letting go on the mother aspect for that. And it’s superb how briskly they develop up.
However I might love some examples of the way you do that with the youngsters, particularly like what are a few of these higher questions that they’ve requested you? What are a number of the methods you construct that in for them? And what are some ways in which households listening can begin to take that method in their very own houses to begin to give their youngsters the identical expertise?
Lisa: Yeah, properly, first I might like to say that it is a judgment-free zone. I didn’t train my youngsters easy methods to prepare dinner, and I figured that out when my daughter went off to school. And so anybody who comes into my program, I at all times begin with this, it is a judgment-free zone. And you will see that my kitchen is infused with love. and I’ve, I maintain a really protected area energetically in order that these coming into that area with me can be taught and develop and experiment. We have to experiment. We’ve got to attempt various things. It’s the one method that we be taught and we develop. So there’s no such factor as failure and there’s no such factor as good.
So I inform the youngsters, I even document cooking movies, Katie, the place I’ve made a mistake within the recipe and I maintain it within the video and I say, oh, look, you guys, I made a mistake, however my streusel nonetheless turned out. And the way about we make it a second time? And I say, you already know, I would determine this time to make use of half the quantity of sugar. And so I’m displaying them easy methods to experiment. Now, in each class are choices. I speak to them about you would use this, or you would use this, or you would use this. And what the youngsters have mentioned to me, I’ve had highschool college students which have come to me and mentioned, that is the perfect class I’ve ever taken. Since you don’t simply give us issues to memorize. You present us all of our choices, and also you inform us to seek out what’s finest for us. Nobody has ever completed that. Which that’s exceptional to me. I wasn’t educated as a trainer, and but I’ve households and college students coming to me saying that they’ve gleaned extra or gained extra from this class. These forms of feedback, after which the questions that I get, I’ll have a pupil that may cease at a station. Each class is a bit completely different, how I set it up, and have a look at me, I can inform the wheels are turning, and I’m like, what’s your query? What are you pondering?
And so I simply pull their questions out of them in the event that they don’t blurt them out. They usually say… Properly, if making jell-o is that this simple, why would we purchase the moment stuff on the grocery retailer? And I say, oh my gosh, that’s such query. Why would we purchase the moment stuff on the grocery retailer? So everybody go ask your households who is aware of easy methods to make jell-o and train them as a result of I believe we forgot. And the meals corporations would really like us to assume that it’s arduous and that they must do it for us. Um, we made lemon meringue pie and I teased the youngsters. We obtained completed making our pies and I mentioned, Oh my gosh, we forgot the yellow meals dye. They usually all regarded round, checked out their recipe and so they’re like, I adopted the recipe after which they checked out their pies and it clicked. They usually mentioned, “Miss Lisa, our pie is yellow”. I do know! So why would they ever put meals dye, yellow meals dye, in one thing that’s yellow? I imply, I’ve had 9 yr olds which have mentioned to me, I’m by no means consuming chemical substances or meals dyes once more, and I’m going to inform all my pals to not. And actually made the connection that if all of them cease consuming meals dyes, the businesses gained’t use meals dyes.
These youngsters, these are issues they create up. These are realizations they’ve. So I convey a variety of little enjoyable experiences into class and I simply make it enjoyable and humorous. I imply, as a result of… I’m fairly indignant about our meals provide. I’m fairly indignant about the place issues are, Katie, but when we are able to’t make… I don’t wish to say like make enjoyable of it or make mild of it. I simply don’t know easy methods to get by to the youngsters some other method than to have some satire.
Katie: Properly, and I believe you touched on one thing so essential. And I’ve talked a bit bit about this too, however I’m excited to go deeper on the mindset element of this as a result of I, such as you notice the worth of experimentation and training and the way succesful youngsters are from usually a lot youthful than we consider understanding this stuff and really making these selections themselves. And so folks, after they ask, you already know, how do you retain your youngsters from consuming regardless of the meals is or maintain them from desirous to do these issues? My reply is often that I truly don’t. I imagine in training and really open conversations and having them perceive and have the instruments to grasp from a younger age how the inputs they put of their mouth impacts their physique.
However I additionally don’t wish to diminish their autonomy and making decisions round that as a result of I imagine that if they’re given the fitting instruments, they may make good decisions more often than not. And so I need, and to your level with experimentation, I additionally need them to have the liberty to make decisions that I wouldn’t have made for them generally and really feel the outcomes of these decisions. So in the event that they’re not in my home, I’m not controlling what they eat. And I discover that particularly as they grow old, they nearly at all times make good decisions as a result of they’re allowed to make the alternatives and so they really feel the possession of that. Whereas if we externally management that for them, they by no means get to step into the precise possession and the understanding. And such as you speak concerning the experimentation, and I really like that you just say there’s no failure and there’s no good. I believe reframing that alone and taking away that facet of failure lets them really feel a lot safer in experimentation. And I might guess your lessons additionally really feel so enjoyable due to that, as a result of it’s an experiment, it’s an journey, it’s not this inflexible container that they’re residing in.
Lisa: Yeah, yeah, we do a variety of experimentation even at school and now we have errors at school, proper? We’ve got eggs on the ground, now we have an excessive amount of salt, now we have… My class really is a judgment-free zone, and the youngsters know there’s nothing that they’ll try this’s incorrect. And nearly at all times the meals continues to be edible.
Katie: Yeah, I really like that. I believe from a mum or dad’s perspective, it may be arduous generally, particularly at these younger ages when they’re so curious and really a lot wish to do these issues. It may be arduous at hand over the reins and allow them to have these experiences. I really like not labeling them as failures, however I do know it may be irritating for fogeys when the eggs fall on the ground or when components get wasted. However I additionally really feel like these are such investments as a result of they pay dividends as the youngsters grow old, to start with, of their mindset and the way they really feel about their capacity to do issues and to deal with challenges and to attempt new issues.
But additionally having seen that play out with my youngsters, the truth that my youngsters made their very own kitchen system and now handle the kitchen totally nearly on their very own, and so they prepare dinner most meals as a result of they take pleasure in it. And my son will watch YouTube movies and work out easy methods to do reductions and the way to verify the wine has cooked off however that it prompts the flavour profile and all this stuff. And I used to be like, I wasn’t doing that at 15, however they’ve this experimentation and so they adore it. And the consequence for me is that now I don’t must prepare dinner dinner most days as a result of my youngsters wish to do it. I’m not forcing them to do it.
Lisa: Sure. Yeah, I inform folks I’ve eight and 9 yr olds that prepare dinner dinner for his or her households. And I’ve had dad and mom come to me and say, we thought we thought she was a choosy eater, however now we notice we’re most likely the choosy eaters as a result of she’ll eat something and he or she needs to make every little thing she’s discovered in your class. And so I do present like a grocery checklist for the dad and mom and I present video, all of my lessons are prerecorded each faculty yr. So I present video classes after which additionally video messages to the dad and mom to maintain them on the identical web page as a result of I already know their youngsters are going to need the more healthy choices. So I share with the dad and mom all of the components we use as a result of I say they be taught in my kitchen however they reside in yours.
Katie: I really like that. Are there any ideas for establishing any such setting in a house? These programs are movies, so households can combine them. Are there any ideas for establishing the kitchen setting to be extra kid-friendly or establishing the power and the mindset across the kitchen that makes youngsters really feel extra included and capable of step into that?
Lisa: I at all times encourage dad and mom to have some utensils, their very own cookbook, allow them to really feel like they’ve their very own area within the kitchen, perhaps a drawer with their utensils. However greater than that, it’s simply actually the mindset. And once more, being fully clear, I didn’t have persistence when my youngsters had been younger. And so it was troublesome for me. I didn’t need them within the kitchen with me. I not often cooked in any case due to my profession.
So I believe it’s higher to have another person train them. I inform households on a regular basis, when you don’t have the persistence for it, no worries. Ship them to my class as a result of at this level in my life, I do have the persistence for this. And it looks like after they be taught from another person, perhaps simply in my case, as a result of I didn’t have a variety of persistence when my youngsters had been younger. However after they be taught from another person, it turns into extra their concept and also you don’t have the parent-child, you already know, combativeness, they go dwelling and so they inform the dad and mom like, I wish to use coconut sugar as a result of it’s half the glycemic index. After which the dad and mom are calling me saying, okay, the place do I discover coconut sugar, when it’s the child’s concept, when it’s the kid’s concept. I believe the perfect factor we are able to do is simply give them area and help.
Katie: Yeah, I really like that. And I believe there’s additionally like the sensible aspect as properly. Like my kitchen has modified quite a bit through the years from the years once I solely had toddlers and I used to be doing all the cooking to now the higher cupboards get used very not often and the decrease cupboards are full of stuff as a result of I need every little thing to be reachable for them.
And I additionally realized like, I wished to not child proof, however be sure every little thing was accessible to them. So I attempted to make every little thing as sturdy as potential, decrease glass after they’re youthful in order that they don’t have these experiences of constructing a real human mistake of dropping one thing after which feeling dangerous about it. I wished them to have the ability to work together totally with the kitchen as a lot as potential.
I additionally assume you’re proper. You touched on one thing actually essential, which is that whereas dad and mom often is the first and most essential lecturers of their youngsters, we’re definitely not the one lecturers. And sometimes, particularly at completely different ages, they’ll hear one thing higher from different folks, particularly people who find themselves very passionate and have a variety of experience in a selected space. And so I believe that is one which I believe you will have a really invaluable useful resource for due to that. And I’m noticing this with my youngsters at numerous ages, even my youngsters realizing, I believe they do nonetheless truly hear and listen, however they’re at an age the place in addition they pay extra consideration to their coaches or to different folks they work together with. And I’m tremendous grateful that I’ve this superb community of those protected adults who assist be nice influences for them. And I believe anytime we are able to usher in somebody who’s one other nice perspective, that’s simply an asset to our youngsters.
Lisa: Yeah, I keep in mind my youngsters coming dwelling and telling me every little thing their pals’ dad and mom mentioned and placing far more inventory into what their pals’ dad and mom mentioned. And likewise, these dad and mom would say that their youngsters held on each phrase I mentioned. So there’s one thing about that age the place they’re searching for validation outdoors of their dad and mom. They should hear it once more from another person and so they’re actually searching for their very own independence.
In order that they’re searching for some sort of validation and steering in order that they’ll develop into unbiased from their dad and mom. So I at all times say, your little one won’t ever come dwelling from my class as making you incorrect. Let me be the opposite mother. What greater than probably will occur is that they’ll come dwelling and so they’ll validate one thing you’ve instructed them earlier than.
Katie: Completely. I believe that’s actually such a invaluable perspective. What ages do you discover folks at? Which ages of youngsters usually take your lessons and do you will have lessons for all types of various ages, together with like extra superior ones for older youngsters?
Lisa: Yeah, I train ages 6 to 18. I begin them in my kitchen in first grade. I’ve a variety of requests for 4 and five-year-olds. So I get the DK and the Ok requests. It’s a bit difficult in my bodily kitchen as a result of most of my DKers or kindergartners want step stools and want much more supervision on the subject of sharp objects and warmth. So I ask for them to not come to my kitchen till age six, however I do provide my at dwelling videotaped programs for households to begin youthful than that.
And I do have a highschool management program that’s along with the cooking program the place we’re truly speaking concerning the supply of our meals. So it’s actually an issue resolution class the place we’re speaking concerning the issues within the meals provide and within the ecosystem. All the pieces from meals dyes or issues which might be completed in manufacturing all the best way again even to the supply of our meals and the chemical substances which might be sprayed on our soil killing the microbes and what’s killing the bees. And since Katie, I’ve discovered that by this class the youngsters are able to pondering larger and I’m able to go deeper not solely with the questioning and the thought frightening classes however having them take part within the options.
Katie: Yeah, I believe that’s so genius and that it roots it in one thing very relevant to them a number of occasions per day. That’s such an integral a part of their expertise as youngsters in consuming, but additionally, such as you mentioned, it connects to the broader world round them, which they’re wired to be so interested in. And I believe that’s actually the right time as a result of such as you, I really feel like we have to elevate innovators and resolution makers and that’s going to be, and that is why I’m so grateful to get to speak to mothers as a result of I believe mothers are such a pressure of nature. And we not simply have buying energy, although we’re, in fact, the most important buying energy, however we’re immediately concerned with the subsequent technology, which supplies us a extremely distinctive capacity to assist hopefully create options for the longer term by serving to our youngsters develop into resolution makers for the longer term.
And I believe it’s so good the best way you do that with a meals first method, as a result of that’s so relevant to youngsters at all ages, each child has to eat. And when you can tie in these essential issues to one thing they’re already experiencing and already doing and use it as a approach to springboard them into understanding the broader world in a extra intricate method, I believe that’s going to pay dividends not simply in households, in fact, there too, however in society as an entire as these youngsters grow old.
Lisa: Sure, and that’s actually my purpose. , you introduced up a degree early on that your profession didn’t exist. , 20, 30 years in the past. And I’ll say, I do know I’m older than you, however 40, 50 years in the past, well being teaching didn’t exist. I had no intention of changing into a well being coach. All of my levels are in enterprise and administration. As a matter of truth, I used to be very specialised in expertise and administration. And I wished to enhance the world, I assumed.
I really feel like I’m bettering the world extra now as a well being coach than I did in all these years in expertise. Now, some folks may beg to vary as a result of they like that blue button of their automotive and so they can name OnStar. However in a variety of ways in which’s probably not contributing to the evolution of our planet, of our species. And a variety of issues have modified in my lifetime and they’re going to proceed to alter in our youngsters’ lifetime.
And one of many issues that I’ve been imploring a variety of dad and mom to consider is that STEM lessons might not be the only option, after they can’t compete with a pc. We actually want to have interaction. So a variety of STEM lessons are very heavy on the left mind, analytical, logical thoughts. The best way we innovate is to make use of our proper mind, not our left mind. And our faculty system is ready as much as be very left mind analytical. Which is why I didn’t perceive as they began lowering and eradicating the humanities, why so many individuals had been upset with that, which I perceive now we want entry to the fitting mind.
Cooking is a ravishing expertise that’s entire mind integrative. So we use proper mind and left mind. So once I discuss having braveness, confidence and creativity, I’m shifting them on a continuum from one thing that’s logical, left mind, that’s what they’re used to, learn this course of and comply with it. After which I take them on a journey to creativity. Now, what else might we do with this? What if we lose all of the bees? Will now we have this meals? So we’re on a journey to create one thing new.
So I begin them within the left mind and take them over to the fitting mind. And we actually want entire mind actions for our youngsters. And I might even say we most likely want much more proper mind actions than we want left mind. They’re getting loads of left mind actions. They’re not going to have the ability to write code higher than synthetic intelligence. So we’re going to must innovate. Their future will look completely different than what we are able to predict. One of the best factor we are able to do is give them the instruments to be wholesome, to be versatile, after which get out of their method, in order that they’ll create one thing new, one thing that we are able to’t envision.
Katie: That’s such level. And I believe that touches on one of many massive conversations occurring in society proper now’s as AI is changing into a lot extra distinguished, how is that going to alter all of our lives? And to your level, we won’t be able to compete with computer systems on the issues computer systems are designed to do higher and that don’t have the slowdowns that human brains have. And I, such as you, have shared that concern of them taking a variety of these proper mind issues out of colleges.
So for fogeys listening, realizing the restrictions if their youngsters are in faculties. Clearly, cooking is a big first step and I really like that you just clarify that as an entire mind exercise. What are another methods we are able to create alternatives for extra of that creativity and that proper mind exercise in our houses, in our youngsters’ lives? Some other strategies for a way we may also help them with that?
Lisa: Yeah. , I’m going to say a number of the apparent issues that you just’ve most likely instructed your viewers. Much less display time, much less, much less video games. We’ve got to get out and now we have to attach with nature, however we should be having dialog. It’s by dialog in my cooking lessons. I at all times say there’s a profit to taking my videotaped lessons at dwelling as a result of the youngsters get to prepare dinner in their very own kitchen from starting to finish. However there’s a profit to being within the kitchen with me. And a variety of that comes all the way down to dialog and group.
We want dialog and group as a result of that’s the place they hear the questions of the opposite college students. That’s the place they’ll ask questions, the place they’ll discover. And we have to try this in additional areas, not simply cooking. There are many areas the place we are able to get entangled. I believe the youngsters can get out and really do internships. So I’m bringing in a beekeeper who’s in his 20s who has mentioned that he would love to assist my college students find out about beekeeping. The extra experiential processes that they’ll do. Phrases don’t train, experiences do. It’s the experiential processes that may provoke extra questions and extra exploration.
Katie: I really like that you just’re bringing in a beekeeper. I’ve been a beekeeper since I used to be most likely 13. And that’s one other space I believe we’re clearly dealing with some difficulties with our bee inhabitants on this planet. And so I believe the extra youngsters now we have concerned in understanding that, and I believe youngsters additionally naturally have a tendency to like studying about and interacting with bees. So I really like that you just’re bringing that in as properly.
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You made me additionally consider in our household, we solely have a few line gadgets within the funds which might be basically limitless. And that’s if they need books, I’m at all times completely happy to purchase them books, something they wish to find out about, but additionally any sort of inventive experimentation. I at all times attempt to help that in my youngsters as a lot as potential, whether or not it’s they wish to discover ways to sew, whether or not it’s they wish to discover ways to velocity remedy a Rubik’s Dice, or they wish to be taught some new talent, or they wish to construct one thing. I at all times attempt to give them the instruments to try this at any time when potential as a result of I keep in mind how a lot I discovered and the way once I look again alone childhood, I definitely don’t keep in mind my finest day of taking assessments at school, however I definitely keep in mind my finest day of studying easy methods to do stained glass, as an example, or studying easy methods to sew for the primary time or studying beekeeping. Like I keep in mind these issues so vividly and I can see now how they’ve formed different areas of my life with the talents that crossed over, not even the direct experiences, however how a lot that’s rippled by.
So I really like that you just’re even in your cooking lessons bringing in different disciplines as properly so youngsters get that publicity and that have. And I believe perhaps in these moments, that’s additionally is perhaps these occasions after they discover the factor they’re enthusiastic about or that they love.
And I additionally actually imagine that children are pure sample makers. I obtained recommendation from a good friend years in the past that each morning the youngsters watched three TED talks on unrelated subjects as a result of he mentioned youngsters are such pure sample makers. And when you give them publicity to issues that aren’t usually associated, their brains will discover and create patterns and join dots. And I believe that’s additionally a giant step into that innovation and downside fixing crucial pondering adults that we want on this planet. And so when you give them issues that aren’t thought of associated already, they may discover sample that different folks aren’t taking a look at and so they may discover a distinctive approach to apply one thing they find out about robotics, perhaps to the issue of plastic within the ocean or no matter it could be. However they only are so naturally wired for that at younger ages. And so I really like that you just’re giving much more instruments that oldsters can use to assist in giving these youngsters these experiences.
Lisa: Sure, oh my gosh, I really like that remark. It was a pure extension for me to go from instructing them easy methods to make a cake with honey, to speak about what components on this cake required us to have bees. As a result of most of them say honey, however we wanted the bees for the oranges, the almond flour, the pistachios. We would have liked pollinators for extra than simply the honey. And so we are able to then have that larger dialog.
And so in my lessons, particularly with my older youngsters, we’re actually speaking concerning the concern round local weather change as a substitute of being empowered to truly make a change. The place there’s a variety of concern and concern retains us in survival mode. And so my purpose is to essentially empower these youngsters to really feel empowered, however protected and like a contributor and their concepts matter as a result of every little thing appears to be minimized. , we hear that this downside is far larger than any of us can tackle, however but the youngsters might select of their technology to eliminate lawns and to plant clover to feed the pollinators. The largest killer of the bees is garden. All of us have a garden. , I go searching, I’ve lived in my home 30 years and I’ve planted a variety of bushes, none of them fruit bearing. Not till simply final yr we planted raspberries and I simply planted edible bushes and a pair bushes at my son and my daughter’s homes. However why did we plant non-edible, inedible landscaping? These are issues that our youngsters can change and nature is considerable. And we’ve been made to imagine it’s so scarce.
And so we’re addressing all of that in my lessons, like, oh, these are so considerable. Are you able to develop these in your state? , I do know we are able to develop these in our state. And so I usher in a variety of classes about what does it take to develop a pear tree? Do you need to have a cross pollinator? Do you need to have two? How lengthy earlier than it bears fruit? So we’re speaking about that as we’re making pear galettes. As a result of that’s what solves the larger downside and that’s what units them free. And my message at Freedom Kitchen is basically that they’ll set themselves free. I noticed that there was a variety of management, corporatocracy. I come out of company so I might see it firsthand. There was a variety of management and we forgot. And possibly not you since you’ve completed so good homeschooling and also you’ve taught your youngsters to be unbiased. However I believe nearly all of our society has develop into codependent and never unbiased. So my purpose is to create unbiased youngsters and subsequent technology.
Katie: Do you will have any strategies for perhaps making that shift in mindset of parenting at completely different ages? As a result of I do know as my youngsters have grown, I’ve definitely grown up with them and discovered at every stage. And I can look again so many occasions and assume, oh, I want I had identified that after they had been this age. Nevertheless it’s all been a studying journey.
However for individuals who perhaps have older youngsters and are perhaps recognizing a few of these indicators, are there issues we are able to do and shift even then that may assist our youngsters develop that crucial pondering and develop these foundational abilities earlier than they attain maturity? Or even when they’re already in maturity and we nonetheless have a relationship with them, issues that we are able to do to assist?
Lisa: Properly, you’re going to make me cry as a result of my youngsters are of their twenties. And so I believe each mum or dad seems again and says, I want I might have identified. I want I might have completed this higher or that higher. And so there’s loads of issues that I look again on and want I might have identified.
And so I actually reside by the phrase from Maya Angelou, after we know higher, we do higher. That’s why I say it is a judgment-free zone, as a result of we are able to solely do to the power of what we all know. So what we do is we begin the place we’re at at this time. the saying, the perfect time to plant an oak tree was 30 years in the past and the subsequent finest time is at this time. So we begin the place we’re at.
Making an attempt to make a large change. Like we had been a household that ate out seven days per week. So making an attempt to shift, and my youngsters had been in center faculty once I made the shift in our family. I couldn’t try this in a single day. They might simply insurgent. And at that time they had been already addicted. We had been all hooked on quick meals and junk meals. There’s a nice program for anybody who’s on processed meals dependancy. And the analysis of Joan Ifland, and he or she has a textbook with 2,000 analysis research in it of how we’re completely addicted. And people meals had been created to be addictive. So making an attempt to alter that in a single day just isn’t potential. So that you begin one step at a time and that is most likely why well being coach there’s so many well being coaches as a result of we coach folks by altering that.
Nevertheless it actually is a phased method. And I might simply say, the extra loving you will be with your self and along with your youngsters by that course of, relying on the place you’re at and the way a lot wants to alter, give your self some grace.
Katie: And I believe the wonder there, I’ve heard this from so many households, is that children are a lot extra adaptable too than adults that usually when an entire household makes that change, the youngsters will truly adapt quicker and their style buds will change and they’re usually capable of hearken to their our bodies extra shortly and notice what feels good of their physique, what doesn’t, the issues that their physique wants and doesn’t. And so I believe that circles again to the sooner elements of our dialog of after we are capable of give them that autonomy and that possession, they usually change to creating good selections, I really feel like quicker than adults can as a result of usually, I do know I had that too, I had years of different consuming habits that I needed to un-pattern and getting used to these processed meals that I needed to un-pattern. Whereas youngsters, particularly in the event that they’re capable of be raised that method from the very starting, however even when they aren’t, I really feel like they adapt a lot extra shortly.
And likewise that crosses over into every little thing else we’re speaking about as properly in that children adapt in each space of studying, I really feel like a lot extra shortly. And I’ve discovered a lot from my youngsters. Hopefully I’ve additionally taught them quite a bit, however I’ve discovered a lot from them. And it’s superb to see how succesful they’re of understanding issues and seeing patterns I don’t see and the way shortly they adapt after they be taught new issues. So I at all times like to offer that as encouragement for fogeys as a result of I do know it seems like it may be an uphill battle or very, very daunting when you’re making that change, such as you mentioned, totally from scratch. And I believe the infant steps method is so clever as a result of it makes it really feel like a way more mild journey, but additionally don’t underestimate how shortly your youngsters could be taught and adapt and take possession for that themselves.
Lisa: Yeah, oh my gosh, so properly mentioned. The youngsters have taught me a lot. I really like listening to you say that. That was one other, that was a part of my evolution too, as a mother, was realizing how a lot my youngsters might train me. I wanted to be open to that, so I believe I had some vanity, and I used to be a really younger mother. And so I actually simply wasn’t, I wasn’t observant sufficient till my youngsters had been a bit older as to how a lot they may actually train me.
However in my youngsters cooking lessons now, I’m simply so amazed. The youngsters train me consistently. It’s the one cause I’m nonetheless doing this. It really was divine intervention. I wasn’t trying to do that. I’ve heard others say, like, I knew I wished to work with youngsters. I can’t say that I used to be actually searching for root trigger and my focus is on fixing the meals. And once I was requested to show the youngsters cooking lessons, I used to be so impressed by the depth of their questions, their attentiveness and their need. And even once I misplaced my first location throughout COVID, I misplaced the situation that I had been instructing in and the households requested me, please don’t go. And I mentioned, properly, you already know, if it’s time for me to maneuver on, I’ll, I’ll transfer on. They usually mentioned, please don’t go. We’ll discover a location for you. You need to use our homes. They, the youngsters need this training, and that’s why I proceed to show it. I do imagine it’s their aggressive benefit. We take into consideration all of the issues to offer our youngsters a aggressive benefit in life. That is it. It begins within the kitchen. Their freedom begins and ends within the kitchen.
Katie: I agree. And I believe that springboards additionally a bit bit into the dialog of the shifting of training in a extra broad sense, societally, which is definitely additionally properly talked about. And I might like to get your tackle that as a result of I do know I used to be like, you employ the phrases a product of the varsity system. And I truly opted out on the very finish, very near graduating school, I made a decision I not wished to take part in that after which began pursuing the issues I used to be truly fascinated by. Nevertheless it definitely led to a special method with my youngsters.
So once I was rising up, I didn’t know that school was optionally available till I obtained there. I assumed it was like thirteenth grade, and it was so ingrained that was the purpose of childhood was to get into school. And I’ve taken such a special method with my youngsters. If something, I’m most likely actively discouraging school and inspiring entrepreneurship or encouraging exploration and no matter they discover fascinating as a substitute. However I might love your perspective on that as a result of I believe one factor dad and mom are dealing with is we’re listening to, in fact, that the training system is altering, that school is altering. We hear of people that have a level and debt, however not a path and who perhaps aren’t haven’t mastered a few of these crucial pondering parts now whilst adults. So I might love any perspective you’re prepared to share on that as a result of I believe that is actually relevant and related to a variety of dad and mom listening.
Lisa: Properly, I really like that you just requested this query, as a result of I do imagine that crucial pondering goes to be what units them aside. They’re not going to have the ability to out assume a pc. Plenty of jobs are going to develop into automated. Now I’ll share with the viewers that I graduated with my diploma in ‘97 in administration and knowledge expertise. And we had been instructed that by 2017, every little thing can be automated, that you’d order quick meals at a kiosk. You’ll pay for it at a restaurant, at a kiosk. and that there can be robots making the meals.
Now that was both predicted or predictive planning on somebody’s half that every little thing would develop into automated. And we had been instructed it was as a result of the infant boomers can be retiring and that may be the final wave of the infant boomers retiring. Nevertheless, 1999, I labored Y2K. So New Yr’s Eve, 1999, I obtained to spend my night checking all of our methods for the GM Truck Group. And proper after that, I learn Tom Friedman’s ebook, The World is Flat. And we had been going to a worldwide financial system. Now now we have folks everywhere in the world. I had sturdy circuits to engineers everywhere in the world to verify our methods. So we already knew that we weren’t depending on the infant boomers. So we had been instructed one thing in 1997 that in 1999, I noticed that wasn’t true.
So there’s a variety of issues I began placing collectively as a marketing consultant, proper? So when my dad was in school within the 60s, he was instructed that the US would develop into a service-based financial system. And its providers aren’t as invaluable. So now we have offshored all of {our capability}. All of our merchandise are made in China. We signed NAFTA and despatched a variety of our manufacturing to Mexico. And folks aren’t placing two and two collectively right here, that what we’ve left for us right here is much less invaluable. And we at the moment are depending on these different international locations and so they might change the value at any time. So it is perhaps 10 cents on the greenback at this time and it is perhaps $10 tomorrow. I imply, we’re not answerable for any of that. And now we have left ourselves in a really weak place. We additionally import most of our meals. And the meals that we develop right here is all purchased by the Processed Meals Firms. So it’s very troublesome to entry like actual meals, all of the grains that we develop, the wheat, the corn, the soy, that’s all purchased by the Processed Meals Firms. So you then’re actually left with nothing greater than processed meals on this nation.
There’s a variety of these knowledge factors that I throw out to string collectively as a result of after they go to school, they’re going to be educated principally in a service. And what we’re seeing is that isn’t fairing properly for our financial system if we have a look at our GDP and we have a look at {our capability}. So I’m not essentially towards school, however I’m undecided what the worth, I don’t know the way invaluable that’s. And so we receives a commission primarily based on our worth. You might be paid primarily based in your worth, not your diploma.
And I’d have this realization when my youngsters had been in highschool that I keep in mind coming dwelling from one more private growth workshop. And I mentioned, you don’t must go to school. As a matter of truth, don’t go. They usually each checked out me like I used to be loopy. They usually’re like, now we have to go to school. I’m like, no, you don’t must go to school. So I’ve one which did as a result of she wished to be a social employee counselor and he or she has a calling, a large calling. So she went that route.
My different one didn’t go to school and really does very, very properly doing what he needs to do. And it didn’t require any school. So I actually assume that crucial pondering is important on all of our elements proper now. Once I speak to adults, I usually say, I’ll sum it up with this transient story. I had a, once I had my Spa, I had a lady and her daughter each used to return to me as shoppers. And the mom was very sad. And she or he was like counting down her years to retirement, however she was so sad as a result of her daughter didn’t go get a company job. And I mentioned, why would you like her in a company job? She’s like, properly, she wants the safety and the advantages. I mentioned, there’s no such factor anymore. And there’s no pensions anymore. And so that you’re pushing on her an outdated mannequin.
And I requested her someday, I mentioned, are you content? Since you say you need Alyssa to be completely happy, however you’re not completely happy. So now we have to be actually cautious proper now to not push our youngsters in any given course as a result of they’re those who will create the longer term. We don’t need them recreating our… existence. It’s outdated. And so it’s actually troublesome as a mum or dad, I believe, to step again and say, I’m simply going to provide the instruments that you just want and also you go determine it out.
Katie: Oh, so properly defined. And I’m very a lot in alignment with you about that. I believe we’re in, such as you’re speaking about, a really distinctive level in historical past when issues are shifting. And it definitely is quite a bit to navigate for fogeys. However I really like issues like your instruments that make that. So it provides youngsters a concrete space of experimentation to be taught that and to hopefully have the arrogance and the autonomy inside that to then switch that into each no matter space of grownup life they select, no matter course they select.
And I might guess such as you, I may need some that select to go to school nonetheless for a really explicit goal, but additionally others which may forge their very own path. And I believe it’s very stunning that we’re residing in a time when these are each very viable choices now. And some questions I’m very curious in your solutions on as we get near the tip. The primary being if there’s a ebook or variety of books which have profoundly impacted you personally, and in that case, what they’re and why.
Lisa: Oh gosh, so I’m an avid reader, tons of and tons of of non-public growth books. I might say most likely Assume and Develop Wealthy is without doubt one of the first ones that involves thoughts. as a result of it helped me to see, and I additionally did that, the Millionaire Thoughts Seminar, and that’s once I simply realized how conditioned we had been in a variety of methods.
Katie: I adore it. I’ll hyperlink to that within the present notes as properly. The place can folks discover you and your lessons and let their youngsters profit from this as properly?
Lisa: So my web site, lisajendza.com, at all times has hyperlinks to every little thing I’ve happening, together with the youngsters web site, which is freedomkitchenkids.com. And fall lessons begin in September, each semester is 14 weeks. And I’m reside on Zoom each Wednesday afternoon Jap Time. However I try this in order that I’ve a facet of help no matter the place a toddler is or a mum or dad. They’ll hop on Zoom with me each Wednesday.
Katie: Superior. I’ll put hyperlinks to each of these within the present notes for you guys listening on the go. All the pieces will likely be at wellnessmama.fm together with the books we’ve talked about. And I do know you will have a variety of instructional assets obtainable as properly. I’ll be sure these are all linked. Any parting recommendation for the dad and mom listening at this time that might be associated to one of many subjects we’ve talked about already or unrelated recommendation that you just really feel is essential?
Lisa: Yeah, let’s enable the youngsters to resolve the issues. The identical stage of consciousness that created the issues can’t remedy the issues. We’ve got to convey a special stage of creativity or power. So I say on a regular basis, a tradition of comfort can’t be a tradition of creativity. So stop searching for issues to be handy and permit them to create. And if I’ve one self-serving motive behind that is that I imagine that our meals provide is in a really dire place and would be the best problem that the subsequent technology will face. And I will likely be too previous to do something about it at that time. So if I can create leaders now, who’re conscious and who’re a part of the answer, then hopefully I can relaxation simple in my retirement years.
Katie: I really like that and I really like that quote, a tradition of comfort can’t be a tradition of creativity, that’s such a strong assertion and I really like the work you’re doing. I’m so glad we obtained an opportunity to attach and I’m excited for my youngsters truly to get to take a few of your programs. Thanks a lot in your time at this time and for every little thing you’ve shared.
Lisa: Thanks, Katie, it was such an honor.
Katie: And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your most precious assets, your time, your power, and your consideration with us at this time. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the Wellness Mama Podcast.
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