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Hiya and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and I’m again right this moment with return visitor, Dr. Steven Gundry. And on this episode, we break down and debunk the myths of the Blue Zones. And I like this subject as a result of Blue Zones, I really feel like, are sometimes quoted and cherry-picked for his or her information to attempt to promote totally different plans or dietary supplements or merchandise that individuals have. And I like that we received to go deep on what the info really says about Blue Zones. And it won’t be what you assume. I actually realized some issues about this that I didn’t know, together with some stunning statistics. I do know one among these will completely shock you about one of many elements that may be contributing to longevity in sure Blue Zones. And it’s undoubtedly not gonna be what you assume.
And Dr. Gundry breaks down how, whereas Blue Zones are sometimes used to advertise vegetarian or vegan or excessive grain diets, that’s not what the info really says. And there’s some distinctive different issues that stand out, together with consumption of sure uncommon meals that aren’t as frequent within the US however obtainable now within the US. We discuss their motion patterns and their each day life-style habits, in addition to elements and information round nutrient consumption and mineral consumption and why these are such essential elements.
And on the finish, he additionally shares his private non-negotiables and 80-20 of what he does every single day to take care of his well being and power and vitality whereas he nonetheless maintains a really energetic profession, working with sufferers, writing books, and doing analysis as nicely. And also you’ve in all probability heard of him, however Dr. Gundry is the founder and director of the Worldwide Coronary heart and Lung Institute, in addition to the Middle for Restorative Drugs. He’s written many bestselling books, together with The Plant Paradox and the companions to that, The Longevity Paradox, The Vitality Paradox, his new Intestine Test ebook, and lots of others. He has over 300 articles revealed in peer-reviewed journals, and he focuses on a dietary method to lowering illness and reversing issues like autoimmune illness. The truth is, his statistic for doing that together with his sufferers is over 94%. He’s been doing this work for many years, and he’s one of many actually robust voices on this house. I’m very excited to share him with you right this moment, so let’s soar into the episode. Dr. Gundry, welcome again. I’m so excited to have you ever again once more.
Dr. Gundry: Hey, it’s nice to be right here, thanks.
Katie: Properly, I’m tremendous excited to leap into a subject that the title may be a bit of stunning to individuals at first look, however I do know that you’ve got plenty of information and expertise to help this, and I’m tremendous excited to be taught from you right this moment. We’re gonna discuss debunking Blue Zones. So to start out broad and provides some background, I might love so that you can clarify what are the most important misconceptions in terms of Blue Zones as a result of I’ve been watching this information now for over a decade, and it looks like a number of individuals cherry-pick the info from Blue Zones to attempt to show their very own level or promote their very own product. And I do know you’re a really first ideas pushed individual and you actually go to the foundation of issues. So what are these misconceptions in terms of Blue Zones?
Dr. Gundry: Properly, as I discuss in that chapter within the, within the new ebook, Intestine Test, the chapter is mainly entitled, Cigarettes, Cheese, and Meat: New ideas from the Blue Zones. Simon & Garfunkel used to say {that a} man hears what he needs to listen to and disregards the remaining. And initially, the Blue Zones, everyone wonders, nicely, the place the phrase Blue Zones come from? We’re speaking about plenty of these locations the place within the water or islands or within the Mediterranean, and possibly it’s the ocean.
Now the Blue Zones, there was a gathering in Montpellier, France, which is within the south of France, quite a few years in the past, and a researcher received a blue-tip felt-markering pen and went to a map of the world and drew some circles round 5 locations that he thought, he thought had the perfect longevity on the earth. And who could be within the viewers however Dan Buettner, who really has trademarked the time period Blue Zone. So I’ve to watch out after I say it or use it. And so Dan is a vegetarian, virtually vegan. And so he wished, I believe, to pick these elements of the Blue Zone cultures that help his perception system. And, sadly, while you really take a look at what individuals eat in these areas, that doesn’t help his perception system one bit.
We might use Okinawa for an instance. The Okinawans, the one detailed description of the Okinawan food plan was performed by the US navy in 1947 as an occupying nation. We took over Okinawa. And the one description of what Okinawans ate again then was by the US navy, primary. The Okinawans, 85% of their food plan is a purple candy potato. The soy that they eat is miso. They hardly eat any rice, and so they actually don’t eat every other grain merchandise. The opposite factor that’s distinctive in regards to the Okinawans is they really eat an enormous quantity of bitter, spicy inexperienced leaves and spices. The truth is, in Japan, they’re known as the spice eaters. So there’s nothing of their food plan that helps the concept that beans and rice is what makes them nice. It’s a candy potato. Sorry about that. The opposite factor that’s distinctive about Okinawa, in actual fact, as I discuss within the ebook, the Okinawans can’t develop rice as a result of their local weather doesn’t help rice rising. So, oh nicely.
Now possibly essentially the most spectacular factual information comes out of Sardinia. So Sardinia is an Italian island. It’s mainly received two populations, bunch of people that reside down by the ocean, they’re fishermen, and a bunch of people that reside up within the mountains, and so they’re goat and sheep herders. The one individuals who have longevity reside within the mountains. The individuals who reside down by the ocean don’t have longevity, attention-grabbing sufficient. Uh, yeah. And the individuals who reside within the mountains, what makes them have extra longevity is definitely the lads reside so long as the ladies. Now, most individuals know that males typically reside about seven years shorter lives than girls. You guys are the stronger intercourse, we received to confess it. However in that island, the lads really exceed the ladies’s longevity. Why is that? Properly, about 95% of the lads smoke, and solely about 25% of the ladies smoke. And we see this repeated in a number of different Blue Zones, like Ikaria, Greece, like at Ciroli within the south of Italy. The boys are people who smoke, and the ladies aren’t a lot. And it’s really the nicotine in smoke that is among the finest mitochondrial and couplers, longevity brokers recognized to mankind. Now, I don’t smoke. I don’t suggest smoking. The issue with nicotine, it’s addictive. But it surely’s actually nice for longevity. And in reality, all of those longevity compounds that everyone’s speaking about, nicotinamide, riboside, NMN, niacinamide, nicotinic acid, that’s a cousin of nicotine and that’s really why they reside a lot longer. Sorry about that Dan.
Now the opposite factor that’s attention-grabbing, they’re sheep and goat herders. So every single day they’re consuming sheep and goat yogurt, sheep and goat cheeses, and as I’ve talked about in my final two books, these cheeses have two health-promoting properties. Primary, they’re loaded with medium-chain triglycerides. A 3rd of the fats in cheese and goat milk and cheeses are MCTs. Secondly, they’ve these compounds that I write about known as polyamines, which as soon as once more are extremely lifespan-promoting compound. So, a lot for the principle grain and bean principle there.
Properly, let’s discuss a spot that does eat grains and beans, the Nicoya Peninsula of Costa Rica. Now, all of Costa Rica eat beans and eat corn, and that’s their state. And the Nicoya Peninsula does eat beans and corn. However what’s distinctive about this little half is that they’re sheep and goat herders, and so they eat plenty of sheep and goat cheese and goat yogurt, in contrast to every other a part of Costa Rica. And there’s a very attention-grabbing paper that I reference that the individuals in that area credit score the goat and sheep with their longevity, and so they assume that the beans and corn are a unfavourable facet to their food plan that they must tolerate only for energy. Oh nicely, and we might go on and on.
Katie: Properly, that’s actually a far cry from the US the place these issues are simply tolerated for energy and easily getting sufficient energy to exist. That’s an enormous distinction than the breakdown of nutritionally what most individuals eat, actually within the US. That’s completely fascinating to me that you simply stated smoking may really be a think about longevity for these individuals as a result of I’ve seen a few of this information as nicely about nicotine itself, particularly if we will isolate it from smoking and the dangerous elements that include that. Would you say there may be a time and a spot for nicotine consumption that’s not from smoking for longevity perspective?
Dr. Gundry: Properly, once more, I believe my buddy Dave Asprey makes use of nicotine drops on a regular basis. He argues, maybe accurately, that every one nice concepts took place in a restaurant with smoking cigarettes and ingesting espresso and having a glass of wine. And he won’t be far off. However curiously sufficient, an island in Papua New Guinea, the Katawans, the Katawans smoke like fiends. They’ve by no means been recognized to have most cancers. There has by no means been a case of a stroke or coronary heart assault in these individuals. They usually eat a food plan with plenty of tubers. They do eat plenty of coconut. However right here’s one other instance the place the smoking doesn’t appear to have the unfavourable affect that we discover.
And I am going into the ebook, and I’ve talked about it earlier than, one of many issues that in all probability will get these individuals away with the dangerous results of smoking: Smoking causes oxidative stress, and oxidative stress makes use of up a vital antioxidant known as vitamin C. And we’re one of many few animals that don’t make our personal vitamin C. Now we have to ingest it. Vitamin C is crucial for knitting collagen again collectively. Collagen breaks on a regular basis, and people who smoke have extra wrinkles as a result of their collagen has damaged as a result of the harm of daylight and so they don’t have any vitamin C to place it again collectively, curiously sufficient. Similar approach people who smoke have very distinct patterns of coronary artery illness that might be prevented by vitamin C. So I believe the people who smoke in these long-lived areas have a food plan that’s extremely wealthy in antioxidants in vitamin C. And there’s a really well-known examine in rats. There’s 5 genes that make enzymes that take glucose and convert it into vitamin C. So there’s 5 enzymatic steps. Now we have 4 of these genes, however the fifth gene is named a ghost gene. It doesn’t work. And that’s why we don’t make vitamin C. For those who take rats and provides them the human gene sequence, rats make vitamin C, these rats will solely reside half so long as a traditional rat. However in the event you put vitamin C of their ingesting water, in order that they’re ingesting vitamin C all day, they’ll equal how lengthy a rat would usually reside, supplying you with an thought of simply how essential form of a steady provide of vitamin C is.
Katie: Wow, that’s fascinating as nicely. I might love to listen to out of your perspective what the info really says in what our key takeaways ought to be in terms of Blue Zones. It appears like actually not grain and bean consumption in excessive quantities, doubtlessly root greens and tubers having the next place, particularly ones which can be wealthy in issues like polyphenols are like brightly coloured. I might guess additionally issues like though they drink wine in lots of of those locations, wine could also be not crucial for longevity by any means.
And I do know individuals additionally discuss elements like typically they transfer extra, like individuals like goat and sheep herders in all probability get way more motion than the typical American. It looks like they typically have nice group and/or areas with good mineral, extra minerals within the soil or the ingesting water. However what out of your perspective are the important thing takeaways that we will really be taught once we take a look at the info with an correct lens that we will all be taught from?
Dr. Gundry: Properly, I believe you’ve hit on plenty of them. Most of those reside in hilly areas. Loma Linda, the place I used to be professor for a lot of my profession, which is the one Blue Zone in the US. Loma Linda means stunning hill, curiously sufficient. And Loma Linda, the Adventist group, has the longevity. The remainder of Loma Linda doesn’t, curiously sufficient. One factor I’d add, in Okinawa, all the medical information, beginning certificates had been destroyed through the conflict. And one of many theories of why Okinawans had been so long-lived is that when individuals had been requested how outdated they had been, they made wild guesses, and there’s really no information. The opposite factor, significantly in Europe, is that pensions are primarily based on dwelling individuals, and plenty of instances, you want that pension to outlive, and so that you don’t declare deaths of people that have really died, so that you simply maintain getting their pension. So, there’s all types of different issues.
I’d add, one of many issues that stunned me after I was doing the analysis for Intestine Test, is that individuals with the longest lifespan of any nation on the earth is a bit of tiny nation between France and Spain known as Andorra. And it’s solely 150,000 inhabitants. And it’s approach up within the Pyrenees Mountains. And the Andorrans have a really, so they really have a lifespan of about 90 years, each women and men. Fairly good. The Andorrans are sheepherders, and so they eat sheep cheese and sheep yogurts, and so they eat sausages every single day. And also you go, nicely, wait a minute, that looks like, wait a minute, cheese and sausage is the important thing to longevity? Properly, as I suggest in Intestine Test, sure. It seems that sausages, historically ready sausages, have polyamines and the actually nasty sugar molecule in beef, lamb, and pork, and milk known as NU5GC, is eaten by the micro organism throughout fermentation of sausages. In order that explains why you’ll be able to form of have your cake and eat it too. So you’ll be able to have cheese and sausages like charcuterie and possibly reside a very very long time.
Katie: That’s actually thrilling as nicely, as a result of actually you additionally hear them say, you understand, in these areas they don’t eat meat, they don’t eat animal merchandise, and it looks like that can be some cherry-picking of information and never an correct illustration. And particularly, I do know it’s more durable to seek out within the US, nevertheless it looks like there may be one thing to including extra sheep and goat dairy merchandise to our food plan, which actually are very minimal in American food plan consumption from my understanding.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, I imply, fortunately, we’re starting to see like plain goat yogurt. It’s a Dealer Joe’s. There are sheep yogurt merchandise now. Uh, it’s, in a approach, straightforward to seek out, uh, sheep cheeses, Manchego. You will get at Costco or Dealer Joe’s. You could find pecorino cheese, which is a sheep cheese. Goat cheeses are a bit of more durable to seek out, however even Dealer Joe’s has goat brie. A number of firms at the moment are making goat mozzarella, goat cheddar. So individuals ought to search for these. They may make a distinction.
Katie: That’s nice to know. I’m curious in the event you noticed any information, and possibly not, that is only a analysis subject for me proper now of mineral consumption in these areas or if their atmosphere naturally has extra of the minerals that we’re not getting in our food plan, particularly if we’re consuming processed meals.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, one of many issues that I do plenty of YouTube movies about this, our soil is so depleted right here in the US of minerals. The truth is, there’s a Senate doc from 1939 that I’ve written about in earlier books that mainly says, our soil is so depleted, this was 1939, that we must eat repeatedly and nonetheless couldn’t make up for the shortage of minerals in our food plan, consuming repeatedly.
The opposite factor that’s occurred in our soil, is glyphosate is an antibiotic, and it’s killed off the microbiome of the soil. And the microbiome of the soil was really accountable for taking these natural compounds and minerals and placing them into the soil, primary, after which aiding the foundation system of the plant to take up these minerals into the plant. So, you understand, corn could appear to be corn now, nevertheless it bears no relationship to what corn was 50 years in the past. A bit of broccoli could appear to be broccoli now, nevertheless it actually has a 3rd of the minerals of fifty years in the past. So yeah, we’re profoundly mineral-depleted. And fortunately, these Blue Zones, or these long-lived people who aren’t, quote, official Blue Zones, they reside in distant areas, glyphosate has by no means come close to them. They farm the land or choose the land. They’re consuming greens and leaves which can be rising in eight ft of loam soil. And they also’re getting these vitamins which have lengthy been lacking in our food plan.
Katie: Properly, and primarily based on that statistic of we’d must eat repeatedly and we nonetheless wouldn’t get sufficient minerals, it looks like there’s two keys there to focus on. One is, in fact, avoiding glyphosate nonetheless potential. And the second, it could look like that is additionally a theme in podcast company that I’ve had is we’re just about at a degree within the trendy world the place we do must complement with sure issues to achieve these minimal quantities. Like, sadly, we’re not at a degree the place we will get all the things from meals, even when, such as you stated, we ate all day lengthy.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, and one of many theories that’s really come out of animal research is that animals, in the event that they’re disadvantaged of a selected nutrient, will repeatedly eat of what’s obtainable to them to get to this vital nutrient quantity of their physique. Issues that they might by no means take into account consuming or an animal that doesn’t eat plenty of carbohydrates, however the carbohydrate that’s offered within the food plan has these important minerals, the animal will go and eat these things till it will get what it’s searching for. I imply, I all the time observe my canine within the spring. They’re consuming younger shoots of grass. And I’m going, yeah, that’s attention-grabbing. What are you guys doing that for? They’re not throwing up. They’re searching for younger shoots of grass. Properly, and that’s the place all the latest little bits of polyphenols and minerals are coming from. Canine are fairly sensible, too.
Katie: I believe that highlights one thing actually essential as a result of I’ve puzzled this for a very long time. We hear typically that People particularly are overfed and undernourished. Just a few years in the past, I switched from fascinated with energy and macros in any respect and checked out nutrient density in meals, particularly micronutrients. I consciously began upping my mineral consumption, and I seen that I used to be far much less hungry and that my physique gave the impression to be way more in tune with what it wished to eat. I’ve puzzled if many of those issues we’re having within the US, in fact, are multifaceted, nevertheless it’s as a result of we’re so poor in a few of these micronutrients that our our bodies are craving further meals like canine would to attempt to hit these minimums for survival and if we might really profit ourselves by being much more acutely aware in our mineral consumption and our nutrient consumption.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, completely. One of many research that I alluded to in earlier ebook was they took some, nicely, let me preface that. We all know that our microbiome determines plenty of what we’re searching for by way of energy and the kinds of energy we’re searching for. And one of many themes of the ebook, Intestine Test, is we’ve primary, starved our microbiome as a result of we don’t eat any soluble fiber. And we’ve, you understand, genocided our microbiome as a result of we actively eat glyphosate, we actively eat antibiotics, virtually all of the meats that we eat are loaded with antibiotics, a brand new examine out two weeks in the past confirmed that every one quick meals meals have antibiotics in them. And glyphosate.
So in the event you take regular volunteers in China and put them on a two-week water-only quick, and half the group will get 100 energy of prebiotic fiber, indigestible by us, however the meals for the intestine microbiome. The group that received the prebiotic fiber on a water quick had completely no starvation for 2 weeks. The group that simply received water had been actually hungry for a couple of week earlier than they adjusted. And I believe that confirms that mainly the microbiome was being fed, then sends textual content messages, these are literally postbiotics, to the mind saying, hey! We’re good down right here. You’ve performed your job. We’re blissful. Don’t must go search for the rest. Thanks very a lot. Let’s have an excellent day. And I believe that basically does communicate to the ability that we used to have in a wholesome microbiome that we fed what they wanted, like a tuber as an example, nice supply of prebiotic fiber, and we didn’t attempt to kill our microbiome every single day with what we ate.
Katie: Wow, that’s undoubtedly a placing instance. And I might love to listen to in our previous few minutes, really, what your personal each day habits and food plan and foundational issues that you simply do every single day, your non-negotiables, your private 80-20 since you are nonetheless a really prolific author. You talked about you’re nonetheless seeing sufferers. You appear to have this large quantity of inside power and drive to enhance the world. So I might love to listen to what your private life seems to be like for a minute and what your each day non-negotiables are.
Dr. Gundry: Properly, let’s see. Day by day non-negotiable is I’ve to take our canine for a two-mile stroll, hike within the hills. That’s non-negotiable in accordance with the canine. Then I don’t eat breakfast for essentially the most half. Through the winter months from January by June, I don’t eat lunch both. I eat all my energy in a couple of two-hour window from 5 to seven at evening. Do I’ve to try this? No. I’ve been doing it now, I believe, for 25 years, so it appears to be working. Through the summer season, I form of again off from that.
There’s fairly good proof, and I talked about it in Intestine Test, and I’ve up to now, that in all probability in the event you actually wished to make peace together with your intestine and promote longevity, a six-hour consuming window, might be optimum. So which means an 18-hour fasting window. One of many issues I am going over and time and again in Intestine Test is you need to have downtime to your intestine wall to restore itself. It can not continuously be concerned in digestion and absorption of meals. It has to have restore. And you’ll do that to a automotive, you’ll do that to an airplane engine. The concept, the typical American eats 16 hours a day from the second we rise up to actually earlier than we go to mattress. And so there may be nearly no restore time for our intestine. And whereas there are plenty of superb causes to do time-restricted consuming, intermittent fasting, I believe one of many causes that’s missed by so many individuals is the necessity for restore of the wall of the intestine.
Years in the past, taking a look at, there’s a worm mannequin of longevity. The worm is C. elegans. And the worm mannequin of longevity, this mannequin has labored for each longevity selling polyphenol drug, et cetera, we all the time begin with this worm mannequin as a result of no matter works within the worm mannequin all the time works in increased organisms. So one of many fascinating issues is the worm begins to die. Because the wall of its intestine, and it has a bit of tiny digestive system, however the wall of its intestine is just one cell thick like ours. And as gaps seem within the wall of that worm’s intestine, the worm begins to die. The extra that wall will get destroyed, the quicker the worm dies. And that has had, and Hippocrates stated it 2,500 years in the past, all illness begins within the intestine, and all illness begins in a leaky intestine. So the actually intestine examine is all of us want a intestine examine to advertise the integrity of the wall of artwork. And all of the tips of how to try this that I’ve realized now in 25 years of working with my sufferers is in that ebook. And in order that’s what I do. I take plenty of dietary supplements. I’m a man who a very long time in the past stated dietary supplements make costly urine. They don’t. You’re proper, our meals, our soil is so depleted that you simply simply can’t sustain with what we ought to be getting in our food plan with out supplementing.
Katie: And I do know you talked about that statistic, which appears so staggering to me as nicely, that individuals eat a mean of it in a 16-hour window within the US. And I believe I additionally learn that the typical, we predict we simply eat three meals a day, however out of your intestine’s perspective, any time energy enter the physique and must be dealt with, that’s an consuming occasion. And I believe the newest one I noticed was it was one thing like 17 instances a day, one thing is getting into your physique that your intestine has to cope with. So it’s actually such as you stated, we’re not getting any intestine relaxation. We’re bombarding our guts, typically with issues which can be harming it, actually not typically with issues which can be serving to it. So possibly a few of these shifts like specializing in these nutrient-density, including in some sheep and goat cheeses. I do know you might have dietary supplements that assist with the restoration course of in case you have leaky intestine. And I do know you go tremendous deep on this subject in Intestine Test on learn how to actually resolve the issues at a intestine degree. But it surely looks like these easy methods typically get neglected as a result of they’re easy, and I see that sample time and again. However the nice information is that our our bodies, once we can do these easy issues, know learn how to heal and so they need to, and they’ll. And so I like that you simply give individuals their energy again by making that so accessible on this ebook and actually in your whole books, which I’ll make sure that are linked within the present notes. However Dr. Gundry, I all the time be taught a lot from you. It’s all the time an absolute pleasure to get to speak to you, and I’m so grateful to your time. Thanks for being right here right this moment.
Dr. Gundry: Properly, Wellness Mama sustain the nice work.
Katie: Properly, thanks. And thanks as all the time to all of you for listening and sharing your most precious sources, your time, your power, and your consideration with us right this moment. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the Wellness Mama podcast.
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